How Credible is the Baptist Church?

How Credible is the Baptist Church?

As you go through Payatas you will come upon a huge piece of land where they have started construction on a beautiful new building for the Jehovah Witnesses. Continuing down the road there is a giant tribute in the form of a Church , being constructed in the name of Iglesia Ni Cristo.

Iglesia Building

As their building rises high into the sky I ask, what do they have that we don't?

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You might wonder, where do they get the money to build such large and beautiful Churches that attract thousands to hear their message?

This is also true for the other denominations.

All except the Baptist churches. In the poor areas where we barely get $20-$30 in the collection each week, we could not dream of building a building. But then again, neither could the others had they not have received outside help.

Baptist Buildings

"Shall we gather by the river?" " Because this buildings soon to collapse!"

Then what is the difference? Why do their organizations care about the poor areas to give them decent buildings and supplies while the Baptists do not?

I am thinking that because these other organizations are more “works” motivated that they have more enthusiasm for saving them selves by their works.

Baptists believe that we are saved by grace through faith and perhaps that tends us to be more self centered and slower to expand the kingdom.

You will notice the large Baptist edifices are in the more wealthy districts while in Payatas we have literally, shanties with broken old wooden signs that we use for Churches. While I am not in favor of building elaborate buildings for the sake of being elaborate, Baptists in poor areas are quickly being overcome by the other denominations.
Many fist time visitors believe if the Church is broken down, their God must be also.

We are believing that God will build His church here. We are just curious as to when and whom He will use. So many people have been instrumental in making us a very active Church and prosperous in the fact that we are able to help so many.

We are anxious to build a place worthy of the name of Christ. One that will say to the passersby that we represent Jesus Christ , come in and hear the word of God.

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Maynilad – May have Water on the Brain

Maynilad – May have Water on the Brain

My Deacon and I went to the offices of MWSS (or as we like to say, My water supply sucks)

MWSS provided one engineer to co ordinate the meeting and to try to facilitate solutions to our complaints.

Maynilad supplied six engineers to try to debate and to hold their position of doing a fine job in the community. (which they are not)

We spoke about many things. I must admit it must have been difficult for MWSS’ engineer to moderate although he did a fairly good job, Maynilad’s reps were not there to solve problems. They were there to profess their righteousness.

One of the men there was the man (if you recall in a different blog) who told my Deacon that he would fire the young lady who made the mistake and told us we had residential rates even after he already admitted that the computer also can be wrong.

At that point we established the hardened heart of the Corporate giant and knew that there was going to be virtually no progress at the meeting.

We spoke about the 10-15,000 people that were only getting water two hours per day and how that might be resolved. One engineer calls out, “where did you get that figure?” I said, “From this engineer”.

Where would I get the figure. I did not make it up.

They also brought out a sheet saying we are receiving .10 pressure (don’t ask, they are the engineers) for 15 hours PER DAY. THEY SAID THIS READING WAS TAKEN AT THE TOP OF OUR HILL WHERE OUR SUBDIVISION IS.

Of course it could have been taken at the pipe that is bypassing the pipe that leads to our community. The paper was dated August. This is now February. No one could answer my question why there was only one paper and it was dated one half a year ago? Was that the day they forgot to close our valve?

We did get a glimmer of hope. There is a water tank that was donated to Manila at our subdivision and they SAY they are going to have a meeting, and investigation to see if they can repair it and use it for water distribution for our small community and by next year be able by adding pipes, to address the greater picture of the lower areas.

The other questions however were never addressed properly.

We never were open to paying commercial rate especially being their rules say houses with religious activity will be charged commercial rate. Now I don’t care what they meant when they made that rule but it is just out and out discrimination. Imagine if I wrote all White people will pay commercial or all Chinese?

I could not in good conscience give in and pay 1000% more because I love God. That would mean by doing so I have said that people who love God deserve to be discriminated upon.

When they offered me the meter at residential rates I accepted. We paid the residential rate for the installation of the meter. Then a month later they sent me a commercial bill. When I complained they told me that it was in error and I do have a residential rate. The next month I received a double commercial bill and when I complained they said they made a mistake.

Did you understand that? THEY made a mistake. One of their engineers apologized not once but twice for their “MAKING A MISTAKE”.

Where I grew up it was, you pay for your mistakes and I’ll pay for mine yet Maynilad thinks that we should pay for THEIR mistake. On top of that even after I told them I absolutely would not pay commercial rate for water, they still sent it to us.
Imagine if someone said do you want to buy this watch and you said yes but I will not pay you for it. Would you still give it to him?

They did and at the meeting when I asked why one of the engineers said even that we said we didn’t want it, we still sent it because we know you need it.

That’s right. I almost fell off the chair after hearing that one.

And—they kept sending it. For seven months. Now, even that their policy is after two months you shut the account, they ignored that. Even that we wrote, saying we did not want it, they ignored that. However they still insist we pay 7000 pesos for THEIR mistake.

In all fairness, no one at the meeting, not MWSS and not Maynilad water had any authority to do anything about it. They were just carbon copies of what they were told by their superior.

The next step is to seek the assistance of the President of the Philippines. I know it sounds crazy that a busy man would be bothered with this but he is in charge over such things.

He is also an anti-corruption President and against stupidity so I am sure that we will be helped by him.

By the way, I was told no one has ever complained about these things confirming my assertion that Filipinos are just too darned nice and easy.

Come on, fight back. If you have a complaint, email me.

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To Build or not to Build –That is the Question

To build or not to build –That is the Question

I am sitting here wondering of what will be less than five months from now when we were told we need to leave this building.

Of course the plan is to seek another place. We have looked far and wide (while staying here in Payatas) yet found nothing, suitable for a Church. The truth is, this little building was the cleanest and sturdiest available.

So the only alternative is to make our own decent building. The process is simple. First we buy the land, then we get a drawing, then we secure the permits and then we build. That sounds simple enough. Oooops! I left out one detail that is crucial in all the above steps. Having the money!

Jesus Builds His Church

This is in my dreams and in my heart!

So now I am thinking, whose responsibility is it to supply the money? Is it mine? I have already given all that I had (which wasn’t that much) to this ministry. I have been stretched as much as anyone else who is dedicated to the salvation and preservation of mankind. We have gone without many of the creature comforts that our American counterparts assume as necessary to their survival. God knows if I had the money it would go here.

So who? Who is responsible for the building of the Church. Well, ultimately God. The Bible clearly says: Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
In the preceding verses Jesus was asking the Apostles who people were saying Jesus was and then he specifically asked Peter who he thought Jesus was.

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

God Himself

I Will Build My Church

That’s when Jesus replied to Peter based on what Peter said, that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God.
That was the rock. His statement. In a further verse Jesus said: Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

He told Peter that the Holy Spirit caused him to say that. He did not hear it from another man but was inspired.

What then is the Church built on? Was it Peter who did not even know what he was saying or was it the fact that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the living God? The latter is clear.

So Jesus WILL build HIS Church. Hmmmm. At this point did Jesus give Peter money for the building fund? Absolutely not.

God always uses people to do His work. Is it because it is easier for Him? Of course not. God told Gideon to get rid of the thousands of men that he had with him so when he went to fight he only would have 300 men with him. Why? Two reasons. God wants His people involved with the work and to be His tools. The second reason was that God wanted all to know that it wasn’t Gideon winning the war but God Himself.

When Joshua was told by God to go in and kill them all the Bible said that God went before him. God won the war but Joshua got to participate.

So when we are building a Church, the guy with no money is calling on those with money but it will be God who motivates the heart and it will be God who allows or doesn’t allow those who will participate in the building but ultimately it will be God who builds the church.

I once applied to a Christian organization for a grant and they told me that they are only giving grants for those “they found” not those who made applications. I thought at the time it was the stupidest thing I have ever heard but actually it makes more sense. If God is really leading this thing. It will be God to motivate hearts and God to direct the money and God that even gets the permits.

God will build His Church.

God is all in all

Here I AM

With that said will I still be concerned? I hope not but being flesh and blood I wonder when and where and how but isn’t that what faith is all about?

God will do His work and I will post all about it and all will see that it was God who build His Church.

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Churches of Christ – Can you hear me now?

Churches of Christ – Can you hear me now?

As one of the poor Churches in one of the poorest areas of the Philippines calls for help. Will the Church of Christ answer?

I remember being in a Baptist meeting in California when the call went out for a Church that was about to close. We were asked if we could give to help this Church pay it’s bills and get on it’s feet. Even as a Missionary on deputation, I felt that “pull” of the Holy Spirit to help and I did with even more than I had. Just like the Macedonian example:

2Co 8:2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

The same Pastor who made the plea said that it was our Christian duty to help one another . It was also that same Pastor who would not receive my calls and when I finally got through he would not receive me for deputation.

It was at that time I realized that helping in SoCal was only for people in their “club.”

I did get a handful of Churches to support the work here in the Philippines. They were the faithful ones and have blessed us considerably. They heard God speak to their hearts and responded but for the many, there was nothing.

I wondered if this was a geographical problem but as I put out the call that this Missionary Church (PBC) was in trouble and needed some cash so we can get a property the silence was deafening.

Where were those Churches and Preachers and Christians who so many times posted their spiritual blips on Facebook and Twitter and Linked-In, who seemingly were pillars of the religious community?

I once heard a preacher say , great minds over the years have no answer for this but I have come to know… Now, I believe God is still giving out new truths but when you start by saying great minds couldn’t do this but I could, you’re a windbag and full of conceit. I am afraid many have become windbags, espousing much but doing little. I look at their banquets and services and the wonderful suits and dresses and catering. Then we see our photos and the difference is amazing. Our poorness however does not equate to sadness (Thank you Lord) I wonder how others richness equates?

Please know that I am not now or have I been concerned about this ministry’s survival. That’s not my job. This ministry belongs to Jesus Christ and He said He would build His Church. My job is to do everything I can to serve and when things go right I know it was because of Him and not me.

What concerns me is the Church of Christ.
I remember before I came here, Pastors who said they were sending the check but never did. I could name at least a half of dozen and not one gave me a call to say why.

One Pastor told another that he would not support me because I was “too pushy”.
Imagine that. Here he was living a good life in America and here I was, going into his poor Country of origin to help his people and I was too pushy.

How pushy would you be to save your child, your family? How much more credit when you love others as much as your self and you are too pushy to help them.

I am thankful for those who do not share my same faith but do share what we are doing here.
Their faithfulness will outshine many who claim a better way.

Jesus said: Luk 18:8 “…Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? “

He was speaking of Christians. He wasn’t looking for faith from non-Christians obviously.

When I first started this journey, we did not even have the money for the plane. I prayed and said to God, if this is your will, I know you will supply the funds.

Right after that I received an email from a Filipina in Dubai. She asked for references because she said she saw our website and wanted to donate to the Mission. Shortly thereafter I received a check that covered the expense of the flight as well as paying to ship some of my books.
I found out after , that it was this woman’s client who was sending the check and he wasn’t a Christian.
Then God spoke to my heart and told me that if the Christians would not support me that He would cause the others to do it and they would get the blessing.

Giving is for the giver. Bill Gates is the richest man in the world because he follows a Godly principle to give. He is probably the most generous man in the world. He’s not a Christian and he doesn’t support Christian ventures but he does follow God’s principle of giving and he reaps the rewards. How much more for Christians that obey God’s word?

CONSIDER YOUR WAYS

If you know of our plight and God has spoken to you and you have ignored it than it is in your hands.
God will not speak to everyone to help but God forbid those that He speaks to and refuses the call.

Our many thanks to those of you who have been supporting this work. We love and appreciate you.

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I’m Sorry

I’m Sorry

So many songs have been written to say I’m sorry. Brenda Lee sang: I’m sorry, so sorry that I was such a fool.
Elton John sang, “ Sorry seems to be the hardest word however in this day and age I no longer accept sorry at face value.

Sorry has become a cheap word so easily dispensed at the drop of a hat to relieve someone of the harm that they did. I don’t buy it.

I call Globe telephone because for the 200th or so time, the Internet is down or acting erratic. The first thing the person at the help center says is , “I am sorry you are experiencing trouble with your internet.” My reply is cold and hard. “No you’re not!” “If you are sorry, pay me for my time lost.” “ Pay me for my aggravation.” “ Do something to show me that you really are sorry.”

If you do wrong to your wife you might offer an “I’m sorry” but there better be some candy or flowers along with those easily espoused words.

You may think I am being hard but think again. Sorry never works on it’s own. There needs to be substantiation along with it.

What did John the baptist say?

Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance…”

John was not going to take a simple sorry. He wanted action. He wanted proof that they were truly sorry.

I am not a fan of altar calls. I believe that too many times people come forth to please friends or family or because they have been caught up in the moment. Too many times I hear preachers bragging that 300 people responded to their altar call on friends and family day.

Of course the following week none of those people have shown up at Church. Too many times it’s about the bragging rights and not the conversion.

With that said, I am not against the altar call. I am just against it for me. A sincere Pastor needs to be guided by the Holy Spirit as to His method of operation for that Pastor. What is good for one is not always and necessarily good for the other.

In my church we spend time with new people teaching them what true repentance means and many times they draw to God as they hear the word and apply it to their own lives.

I have spoken to many who have told me that they were “born again” and how were they born again I asked? By attending a born again church. I then proceed to enlighten them on how one is actually born again.

One must understand that without repentance there is no salvation. Without sincerely seeking forgiveness from the Saviour how could He forgive?

Sometimes I get upset with someone and my wife will tell me that I need to forgive however there is one part left out. Unless they seek forgiveness how can they be forgiven? Unless they accept forgiveness how can they acquire it?

Our Calvinistic friends may argue, but we do get involved in our own salvation. Number one we are there and just by being there, we are involved. Number two we are remorseful and seeking forgiveness. Number three we are relieved and thankful for what was done within our souls. We are not doing the saving but we are doing what we are supposed to do.

So the next time you hear the words, “I’m sorry” , listen carefully and see if it comes with something to show you that it’s genuine.

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What does Maynilad think of people?

I had sent my Deacon down to Maynilad to try to reason with them. He had told them that we have an email that said we have residential and not commercial rates.
The man replied that it was a mistake. He then points across the room and says, but if it will make you feel better I will fire that person right now.
Imagine that. This evil man saying  just like that, that he will fire that poor person who might need this job to help keep their family alive.

He then spoke about the equipment giving faulty answers and it might have been a computer glitch. Yet he still offered to fire someone for his equipments offense.

When you hear philanthropy do you think of Maynilad? Probably never. Yet if they were a good company, they would donate our water bill to help us help Payatas. What does it cost them?Maybe p40 a month?

Call Maynilad and tell them you are sick of their cheating, lying ways.

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Maynilad Water attacks the local Church, Missions and the Poor

Maynilad Water attacks the local Church, Missions and the Poor

What do you think when you hear the name Maynilad? Water? Not us. We think about an aggressive, totalitarian, corrupt organization who has the right to control the water and who gets it and makes capricious and arbitrary rules as to who gets it, how much they will pay and who does not get it.

This story started back in November of 2006 when we moved out of a local shanty and into a two story residential building. A group of us wanted to praise God together and so we formed a Church.

When we wanted to put the water on, it seemed there was a leak in the building and the last tenant incurred a p36,000 bill because of it. They moved and never paid the bill.

It appears that in the Philippines, the owner is in charge of collecting the money for Maynilad and so, it wasn’t going to be turned on anytime soon. With that, the owner supplied us with water and I really did not mind. Although inconvenient, we made do.

After a while I had my friend, go with the owner to negotiate the p36,000 bill and he wound up getting it dropped. The setback was, Maynilad wanted p18,000 to install a new water meter and turn on our services. I said forget it and we will continue with being supplied by the owner.

Back around the end of June, we were told there was a breakthrough. The owner said for p1000 I can have the meter installed and we would pay a residential rate. That sounded fine so we agreed. The meter was installed and at the billing period I received a bill for p1000 commercial rate. I called, screamed, hollered and sent emails. This is what I got:

Good morning!�
Your Contract/account No is CA56345373, residential rate.
Your bill for June 2011 is P99.03  (5cum) which is minimum charge.

Your other concern was already endorsed to our Fairview/
Commonwealth Business Area.�

We will get back to you for the latest update.

Regards,

Lorie
Okay then, everything seems to be okay right? Wrong! The following month we received another commercial bill.
I sent them off an email:
“Let it be known that ours is a house where our Church meets. It is not a commercial operation but non profit. We use less water than a normal household. There are people who own stores who you charge residential rates.
It is therefore my conclusion that you are discriminating against a religious non profit organization in which you already told us we have a residential rate. We have a copy of that email on file.
Please know we absolutely refuse to pay a commercial rate. That was never our agreement and it will not change. Additionally, you give us water about two hours per day at times when we are not even at the premises and then try to collect thousands of pesos.
Please tell us your final decision on this matter. If it does not change we will spend much time going against you using all the political and legal help we might muster .
What you are doing is deplorable and we feel you are doing this because we are a religious group and because we oppose your unfair distribution of water to the poor people of Payatas.”

That was back in July. Look at the text in bold letters. If I told you that I would not pay you for something would you deliver it anyway? Maynilad did and they continued to deliver it until yesterday when they went on private property, broke the lock on the meter for which I paid, and locked my meter.

Merry Christmas from Maynilad to the poor!

Maynilad is the Grinch that stole Christmas

Maynilad- The Grich that stole Christmas

So the big bad water company shut the water of a small, non profit organization and church. By the way, to get the full impact on how we help Payatas as Maynilad seeks to destroy it, go here: http://escobia225.multiply.com/
or here: http://www.payatasbaptistchurch.org/
or here: http://www.payatasmissionoutreach.org/

Let me tell you a bit more about Maynilad. Their water line goes up to the schools on Molave Street and Payatas Road where it supplies all the schools with water 24 & 7. then it goes straight to Amlac where it supplies them. The area in the middle is where our Church and 10-15,000 families are. We were only supplied water for two hours a day. They say it is because they don’t have the pumping facilities but they have pumping facilities to pump it right passed us.

I believe the reason is that there might be some theft below so if they limit the water, they limit the theft. Who cares if it’s poor people who are suffering.

On top of that they charge the same minimum prices for those who get water only two hours as they do for those who get if all day.

We have gone to Congressman Winnie Costello’s office and he promised to take care of the problem. We called a week later and he did not remember who we were. Then he put an assistant on the problem. We could never get her on the phone.

This is what I think. Maynilad is powerful and can tell Congress what to do. It seems that there was a bill that for five years has been trying to get passed. It is the anti-discrimination bill. I guess because of corruption you have to be able to discriminate.Maynilad overcharges Churches in Philippines

Now it’s time to raise awareness. Filipinos, I came to this Country to help a place that gets no help from your Government. I love doing it because the Filipino people are a wonderful people as long as they are not politicians. I think there may be some good politicians that can’t do nothing because of corruption. Let’s hold their hands to the fire. Pass this blog to everyone you know. Call your politicians and demand they do something about this. Contact all the churches and let them call also. If you are a lawyer and want to do a class action lawsuit on a CONTINGENCY basis, give me a call. Call Maynilad at 1622. Keep burning their lines with calls. Ask them to correct their evil doings.

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Call Me Bishop

I have recently been made aware that some Baptist Pastors began to start calling themselves Bishop.

Call me Bishop

Can you hear me now?

I said began calling themselves because it was not through a special service, ordination or the laying of hands but they just started calling themselves Bishop.

Now you can ask them why as they could probably give you at least one or two reasons. I am sure that anyone who would give themselves a title would have done the research as the Bible says:1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: I would assume that would also apply to being able to defend all spiritual positions that we take.

The word Bishop means “Superintendent” so why they just did not call themselves superintendent or super or super Pastor is beyond me.

Of course the Catholic and other churches used the term to mean Apostolic Succession so perhaps these men can trace themselves back to Peter or at least one of the Superintendents of that time.

The Bishop eventually led to the title of Pope so if someone wanted to get a jump on it they could start calling them self Pope—the baptist (as to distinguish themselves from the Pope in Rome)

I myself get this weird feeling when someone introduces themselves as “Bishop” so and so. It is eery.

My thought is these folks may be seeking a higher honor than perhaps the title “Pastor” can give them.

The Bible and I concur , Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

If I were going to choose another title it would probably be shepherd or Servant or something to that effect.

In any event, if too many Baptists give themselves this title it will be inevitable that they will also take the title of Pope.

The only question is, who will be brazen enough to take it first?

Some facts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop

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CHURCH CLOSED FOR CHRISTMAS!

It is totally incredible to me but it seems there are many Churches that close their doors on Christmas day if Christmas falls on a Sunday.

Church sign "Closed Christmas"

Not a Family Church

Payatas Baptist Church and Ministries, Inc. will be OPEN on Dec 25th the day we have chosen to celebrate Jesus Christ coming to this world to save us.

I believe statistics will probably show that it is mainly very large and Mega Churches who will close and I believe I know the reason.
Many large churches (certainly not all) have become like the movie houses of old, entertaining people and thus fulfilling the self imposed requirements of some that they attend some kind of ritualistic religious service on Sunday.

These are not the same type of people who go to small , solid Churches which preach that Church, our lives and all that we do, is not about us but revolves around Jesus.

These are Christians who have a relationship with the Saviour. They love Him and love to worship Him. These would no more miss a Christmas service then the birth of their own child as we recognize Jesus as God and God as the head of our family.

In the small, Bible believing Church, our people consider each other family. We watch out for each others children. We help each other when needed. We are there for each others weddings, birthdays, various celebrations as well as deaths. So when the Sunday is a Christmas service we are even more happy.  We are happy to spend some more time with each other in the house where we worship our Father God.

Large Churches that have not been able to keep a close attachment to each other have lost that greatness about their being together. It has become more of a ritual, a satisfying of a requirement rather that a joy and celebration of the family together.

Some large Churches have elders and deacons and have had each one oversee a group of members to keep the relationship strong. Just like perhaps in a family we have Aunts and Uncles and Cousins and we all enjoy our lives separately until certain times of the year we come together and enjoy as a unit. This is how a large Church needs to function and many do it well.

At the mega Church, (many) lose the love, the closeness and become a commercial message rather than a family get together.

This Sunday when you go to Church, say hello to that person who you don’t know. Especially if they are new to Church. Let them know that your Church is a family Church and the doors are always open to new members.

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Insecure Pastors

One of the things that I always found odd is when a Pastor proclaims that no one can remove him from his position except God.

Well heck. In one way I agree. I can not scratch my ear if God doesn’t let me and no, I am not being funny, it is absolutely true.

Yet as a Pastor, I would think if I was found doing things unbecoming a Pastor and even a layman, that my church could throw me out. As a matter of fact, I encourage it.

I do believe the Pastor should have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness of the Church but in the absence of that, he’s out of here.

One of the examples they give is the Bible says, “Touch not mine anointed”

The actual verses (and they will not give you what I will show you, only that short clip. “1Ch 16:20 And when they went from nation to nation, and from one kingdom to another people;
1Ch 16:21 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes,
1Ch 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

The bible was clearly speaking about all the Jewish people as being God’s anointed and He would not allow anyone to go against them.

Then they will give the story of Saul and David and say that David never did kill Saul although he had the chance. Okay. So, that means no one should kill the failing Pastor.

One quote I have heard in the past by more than one Pastor was that “God has put me in here and only God can take me out”.

Actually, the search committee or the Church board put you in there and yes, they probably prayed and sought God’s approval. that is exactly what they will do when they throw you out.

Most Pastors who defend this kind of thinking have some baggage and are actually concerned their church members may decide to throw them out.

One Pastor in California stole $3million dollars from the church. should the board have waited for God to throw him out or do you think they were in the will of God by doing so?

The call of a Pastor is serious business and we are to keep ourselves above reproach. That is a biblical mandate and if we can’t, we do not deserve to be in such an position.

Just think if only they fired Jim Jones before he passed out the Kool Aid.

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